What? That makes absolutely no sense. Weed didn't change his class so it's not a second tier job? Why would Weed change his class to a lesser branch of sculpting? If you're a Blacksmith that specializes in forging souls then you don't job change into a Blacksmith that specializes in forging bronze. Weed is a Legendary Moonlight Sculptor. It is already a top tier hidden sculpting class. That's why he's never been asked to change his job class when learning legendary hidden sculpting skills or when reaching levels 100, 200, 300, 400, etc. I think Weed might be asked to change his class after becoming a Grandmaster Sculptor but that's probably it.

The only benefit to becoming a specialist is that it gives bonuses when working within your specialty. Weed said that a Jeweler can cut jewels and make accessories better than a normal Sculptor. Is that worth changing from a hidden class to a class focusing on sculpting mud? No.

That precisely my point.

Good that you get it.

That is why i believe that ceramist is another profession, like stated in the novel, by 2 translators.

Not correct.

He was already asked to change his class, for example, after he successfully achieved the beginner training center on Lavia. Weed refused.

My opinion on this is that he can change but he doesn't want anymore, as stated in Lavia, and therefore is not challenging him anymore on this.

Vincent1875 wrote:

What will happen after he become a master sculptor is a mystery. Nobody knows yet.

2. Don't misquote something I wrote and then go on about how it's not correct. It is correct before you butcher it. I wouldn't have written a full sentence if only a part of it had meaning. Now has Weed been asked to change his job class when learning legendary hidden sculpting skills(disaster sculpting, etc.) or when reaching level milestones? No. The reason I asked it like that is because I was narrowing the statement to class change options actually related to sculpting. As in a job advancement. Something asking him to turn into something other than sculptor has nothing to do with a job advancement.

OK, i see.

I missed the point that you where limiting yourself to the sculptor class.

Sorry. Well, again, we don't have the same assumption at the start of our reasoning...

For me ceramist is still a different class, as stated in the novel. 

So no wonder. ;-)

On top of that, it work well that way. 

But hey, Ok, we don't have to.

Still cool 

Again, i'm not trying to convince you. Just stating that so far, i don't see the point of changing my opinion on this topic.

And again, it's just my/your opinion, not the truth.

We are still here in the field of interpretation, not definitive fact from the novel.

At least, not in your opinion.

And also, please, be aware... that you may give a slight judgemental vibe here and there. 

This being said, i like the fact that you defend your position with strengh and clarity. That's a  good point.

See you keep saying that it's called a different profession or class in the story when that doesn't actually mean anything. Moonlight Sculptor is a different class than Sculptor or Jeweler. Everything is a different class. That's why they have different names in the first place. That has nothing to do with whether it's a branch of sculpting or not.

You say that the main reason you don't think it's a branch of sculpting is because Weed doesn't change his job. Weed's Legendary Moonlight Sculptor would be like a 4th or 5th tier sculpting class(It's the hidden class passed down by the Emperor), while Ceramist is a 2nd tier sculpting. Why would Weed change classes from a legendary class to a common 2nd tier class?

Hi Vincent, 

I realized i missed one of your message.

So, here my answer.

Correct

in my opinion, there is basic profession (1st tier), and then a speciality (2nd tier or more), as i said, which is related to a special skill that you will develop.

This special skill is related to a material when you are sculptor; but it could be related to an attribute if you are a magician (fire, ice, etc) or to a special type of weapon, etc. 

For example, Stone sculptor and Wood sculptor (2ndtier job) are both sculptor (1st tier), but with a different speciality/special skill. 

It also means that users are basicaly at level 100+ or more.

Well, it's a special branch of sculpting (2nd or 3rt tier), because they have a rare and very unusual special skill.

Also, you can consider them as a sort of dual class, which add fighting skill to sculpting.  

As i said, both option are meaningful. 

But I like to keep my own interpretation, which is different from yours, but help to structure and understand how the system works.

And again, it's ok, not to share the same view. ;-)

So, why my own interpretation ? Because Weed is NOT moonlight-sculpting most of the time. But just basicaly sculpting, by using various materials (1st tier).

So to me moonlight sculpting skill is just another 2nd or 3rd tier speciality (=special skill), that he would have to aquire later on, where a regular sculptor could/would not.  

In the end, Weed is basicaly a sculptor with a special skill, that's all + extra fighting skill. So no big deal. That's the way everyone sees him.

His legendary status is a different issue and well hidden info.

Then, you agree that ceramist is a different class ? And not only a skill.

OK, good to know. ;-)

But what about 2nd tier class ? Is it still the same profession or is it a different profession ?

I believe, it can be both.

And not because i want it, but because it was written that way in the novel.

Yep, for him, it's just a new skill.

For someone else, it could become a profession, from the start.

By the way, basically for me, there is a profession, when you have a guild, named after it. And only a speciality (2nd or 3rd tier) when there is not.

;-)

So what ?

Why could he not choose to change from one special skill to another ? Or from one class to another ? RR is flexible enough.

He alerady got the offer more than once or experienced it through his transformation skill. Same for his speciality, he could choose to change, i'm sure, if he wanted to.

There is no such thing as 4th tier job so far, beside the master class status.

Also, what you consider a 5th tier is related to the "legendary" status, which is not related to the profession (1st tier), nor the speciality (2nd or 3rd tier job), but to whom you got it from.

In other words, Weed is a regular moonlight sculptor + extra bonus, because you got it from a unique master ( a master, with the emperor status).

It gave Weed

1 - A special set of combat skill, specially tailored for sculptor 

Remember, he could access this moonlight sculptor, because he trained his basic sword skill like crazy for 4 weeks. 

So, through the legendary statut, he got even better combat skill, at an early level, where regular sculptor do not have such combat stat & skill, nor regular moonlight sculptor do not acquire such stat bonus and such extra set of skill.

Basically, it was a huge boost to his combat skill. 

Plus, this legendary status gave Weed

2 - the option to raise all his craft skill beyond the intermediate level, into advance level and up to master level (need to be confirmed).

It is basicaly taking out a regular moonlight sculptor limitation, but it is NOT making it another speciality, as such.

It just give his regular class even more potential.

Otherwise, without this legendary status, Weed would have been limited to intermediate level in other crafskills, 

For example, if he would have agreed the first time he got the offer to become a regular moonlight sculptor ( through Zahab sculpting legacy ). 

Also, raising other craft skill to advance level does NOT mean he will developp full benefits of it, like the regular 1st profession, like blacksmith or tailor. He keeps being a sculptor and this other profession skill, an extra skill or an added speciality. 

That's all. 

 Ps - 

In the end, legendary is not a profession nor a speciality. Just the fact, that you got it from a master, which became an emperor. In other words, other class can acquire this legendary status too... For example, if an aqualight painter master of the nifleheim Empire became Emperor (because of birth right for example); then learning his legacy would give a painter that legendary status too. 

A propos 

"Making furniture was also a side job for sculptors" v30c6

Same goes for tailoring, blacksmithing, ceramic for Weed...

It's not a main job/profession, but only an added skill.

I'll try to keep this somewhat short. It would be a lot easier if I could figure out how the quote system actually works on this site but whatever.

So you're saying that a Profession/trade is something which has its own guild, is a 1st tier class, and has specialties based on it? I don't think that Ceramist fits those as of now. You may have to job change to it from sculptor and we know of no guilds for it.

Then you later on go on to say that a 2nd tier class can be its own profession. I don't get it. Isn't that a contradiction. Either it's a first tier job or not. We also know that you don't necessarily have to reach level 100 to pick a specilaized class because both Weed and Fabio immeidatly took them without taking the 1st tier class or reaching level 100. I'm not sure your conclusion matches the story or at least not production classes.

About why Weed didn't change his class. Your statement was that IF Ceramist was a branch of sculpting then Weed would change his class. Therefore the question isn't could he change his class, it's would he change it. The answer is no. There is no reason why Weed, if given the choice, would change his class to Ceramist from LMS. Thus saying that Weed not changing his class to an inferior class not an argument for Ceramist not being a sculpting class. Saying that Weed could change if he wanted to doesn't actually give any reason for him to do so. You're basically saying that Weed not doing something stupid is evidence that it's not a form of sculpting. No, Weed not doing something stupid is evidence of him not being stupid. Weed could have changed his class to Ceramist if he wanted to. He can still do so now. There's just no logical reason for him to do it. I basically don't follow the logic behind your statement. I don't see how Weed not changing his class is related at all to it being a sculpting class. 

4th tier class? What about Lich or Blood Necromancer? What about Doom Knight?

LMS class tier? I'm more basing 5th tier class on the benefits and strength of the class rather than it being called legendary. As of now there's no named difference between the affects of a Moonlight Sculptor and Legendary Moonlight Sculptor. However what is said is that a regular sculptor would get 5 stat points on reaching Intermediate sculpting while Weed got 10. So Weed gets more stats on advancing his class. The class skills for the class are also only usable at Advanced sculpting level. Those are why I call it class 4 or 5. I think higher tier classes give better bonuses on advancing in the skill and require higher levels in the primary skill to learn the specialized class skills.

I would argue that the sword skills and other gifts that Weed recieved from Giehar's stash are unrelated to the Legendary Moonlight Sculptor class. They're not inheriently connected. Not everyone who gets the class will recieve the gifts. They're not built into the class. Weed could have sold them instead of using them. Weed could have probably used them without accepting the class. Basically those are not class bonuses because they were not built into the class itself.

I would argue that there's no evidence to suggest that only Legendary Moonlight Sculptors can master all of the crafting skills. That's your speculation and it's not supported by anything. In fact I'd say it's contridicted by what we see. Master Daycram isn't a LMS and yet his Blacksmithing skill is likely Advanced. All sculpting classes can likely raise the crafting skills to Master because sculpting naturally crosses over with those skills. One of the Sculpting Master quests required you to have your Blacksmithing skill at a certain level.

When it says "Making furniture was also a side job for sculptors" I'm pretty sure it means as a source of making money and not as a sculpting specialty. Kind of like a Blacksmith who makes horseshoes or a Ceramist who makes houses. It might not even be a skill. It's certainly not comparable to Blacksmithing. It's a failed analogy. When Weed Blacksmiths as a side job he's actually Blacksmithing. He's making swords and such. Tailoring is the same. Making funiture for sculptors is just sculpting furniture for people to use.

Quote system is easy. 

Just use "quote", next to "reply".

Then copy past, if you want to split the quote in multiple elements.

Also, i invite you to contribute to ther section of the forum or start as an new editor ;-)

Well, I obviously saw the quote buttom. It's figuring out how to end it and restart it where I want that's the problem.